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		<title>Comment on The “What’s worthwhile?” question by &#8220;Are Too Many Students Going to College?&#8221; &#171; Tony&#8217;s curricublog</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Are Too Many Students Going to College?&#8221; &#171; Tony&#8217;s curricublog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here for a Curricublog post on Curriculum Studies and the questions concerning &#8220;What is worthwhile?&#8221;    This entry [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Chris Hedges &#124; BookTV &#124; Colbert Report by Dr.Ned Ammari</title>
		<link>http://curricublog.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/hedges-booktv-colbert/#comment-22164</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Ned Ammari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have followed the writings of Chris Hedges since he was stationed in Beirut,Lebanon,working for The New York Times. I must say that his eloquence,honesty,high moral ground,broad knowledge of history and farsighted mental horizon are his truly powerful tools he utilizes so effeciently to give his readers brilliantly structured articles/columns. That is why he has such a large number of followers,espacielly at Truthdig Website.

The fanatical members of the evangelical Christian Right hate his guts because he has exposed them and their agenda as they should be exposed. He has done so in his book entitled &quot;American Fascists&quot;. A fascinating and daring exposure.

I,for one,have admired what he has written sofar;and I must admit that I have become addicted to his ways of structuring his essays/columns. I take my time to read them and sometimes I study them,depending on the topic he writes about and the degree of interest I have in the topic. If this is not called addiction,I just do not know what is. Perhaps,just perhaps,because I am a scientist by formal education,training and experiences I have found the writings of Chris Hedges so admirable and fascinating,indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have followed the writings of Chris Hedges since he was stationed in Beirut,Lebanon,working for The New York Times. I must say that his eloquence,honesty,high moral ground,broad knowledge of history and farsighted mental horizon are his truly powerful tools he utilizes so effeciently to give his readers brilliantly structured articles/columns. That is why he has such a large number of followers,espacielly at Truthdig Website.</p>
<p>The fanatical members of the evangelical Christian Right hate his guts because he has exposed them and their agenda as they should be exposed. He has done so in his book entitled &#8220;American Fascists&#8221;. A fascinating and daring exposure.</p>
<p>I,for one,have admired what he has written sofar;and I must admit that I have become addicted to his ways of structuring his essays/columns. I take my time to read them and sometimes I study them,depending on the topic he writes about and the degree of interest I have in the topic. If this is not called addiction,I just do not know what is. Perhaps,just perhaps,because I am a scientist by formal education,training and experiences I have found the writings of Chris Hedges so admirable and fascinating,indeed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on US Educ Sec Arne Duncan on Colbert (Oct 5, 2009) by Monday, October 5 &#171; Another Education is Possible</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monday, October 5 &#171; Another Education is Possible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In NCLB, humor, quickies on October 5, 2009 by Tony Whitson   US Educ Sec Arne Duncan on Colbert tonight [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on NCLB &#8220;lying to children and parents&#8221; &#8211; U.S. Ed Sec Duncan, Sept. 24, 2009 by US Educ Sec Arne Duncan on Colbert tonight &#171; Tony&#8217;s curricublog</title>
		<link>http://curricublog.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/nclb-lying-to-children/#comment-22159</link>
		<dc:creator>US Educ Sec Arne Duncan on Colbert tonight &#171; Tony&#8217;s curricublog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stephen&#8217;s guest tonight (Monday, October 5) is U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, who has said in a recent speech that &#8220;The net effect [of NCLB] is that we are lying to children and parents.&#8221;    This [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Mooney &amp; the &#8220;new atheists&#8221;: another round by Tony Whitson</title>
		<link>http://curricublog.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/neuatheismusstreit/#comment-22158</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Whitson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;On transubstantiation and natural science:&lt;/strong&gt;

The doctrine of transubstantiation, discussed above, depends on its conception of &lt;em&gt;substance&lt;/em&gt; which, I was arguing, is an idea so alien to the language of natural science that the scientist, &lt;em&gt;qua&lt;/em&gt; scientist, has nothing to say about it to its believers. In the paragraph below, C. S. Peirce explains this with admirable lucidity:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Substantial form:&lt;/em&gt; a form which constitutes a &lt;em&gt;nature,&lt;/em&gt; i.e. a species or genus. Thus, the accidental form of a musician is music; but his substantial form is the rational soul which makes him a man. When men&#039;s thoughts became turned from theology to the investigation of physics, those who were animated by the new spirit found themselves confronted with objections based upon allegations of substantial forms. That these substantial forms, so used, were merely a hindrance to the progress of science, was quite plain to them. But the objections were urged with a logical accuracy, born of centuries of study, with which the new men were utterly incapable of coping. Their proper course would have been quietly to pursue their own inquiries, and leave the theologians to square their results with philosophy as best they could. But circumstances did not permit this. The theologians had the popular intelligence and the arm of power on their side; and, when an apparent opposition arose, they naturally exerted themselves to put it down. Thus, the innovators were led to protest against these senseless and harmful substantial forms; and they had to formulate their objections to them -- a business for which they were entirely unfitted. But since the discoveries of the physicists were plainly adding to man&#039;s knowledge and power, while their antagonists were simply obstructive, the former soon carried the day in the general opinion of mankind. The history proves that there was something vicious about the theological application of &lt;em&gt;substantial forms;&lt;/em&gt; but it in no degree goes to show that the physicists accurately defined the objection to that application. In reviewing the arguments at the present day, when the position of the mechanical philosophers is becoming almost as obsolete as that of the scholastic doctors, we first note that when the new men denied that the substantial forms were &quot;entities,&quot; what they really had in mind was that those forms had not such a mode of being as would confer upon them the power dynamical to react upon things. The Scotists, for it was they upon whom, as being in possession of the universities, the brunt of the battle fell, had in fact never called the substantial forms &quot;entities,&quot; a word sounding like a Scotistic term, but in fact the mere caricature of such a term. But had they used the word, nothing more innocent than the only meaning it could bear for them could be imagined. To call a form an &quot;entity&quot; could hardly mean more than to call it an abstraction. If the distinction of matter and form could have any value at all, it was the substantial forms that were, properly speaking, forms. If the Scotists could really specify any natural class, say man -- and physics was at that time in no condition to raise any just doubt upon that score -- then they were perfectly justified in giving a name to the intelligible characteristic of that class, and that was all the substantial form made any pretension to being. But the Scotists were guilty of two faults. The first -- great enough, certainly, but relatively inconsiderable -- was often referred to, though not distinctly analyzed and brought home to them. It was that they were utterly uncritical in accepting classes as natural, and seemed to think that ordinary language was a sufficient guarantee in the matter. Their other and principal fault, which may with justice be called a sin, since it involved a certain moral delinquency, was that they set up their idle logical distinctions as precluding all physical inquiry. The physicists and Scotists, being intent upon widely discrepant purposes, could not understand one another. There was a tolerably good excuse for the physicist, since the intention of the Scotist was of an abstract and technical kind, not easily understood. But there was no other excuse for the Scotist than that he was so drugged with his metaphysics that ordinary human needs had lost all appeal to him. All through the eighteenth century and a large part of the nineteenth, exclamations against the monstrousness of the scholastic dogma that substantial forms were entities continued to be part of the stock-in-trade of metaphysicians, and it accorded with the prevalent nominalism. But nowadays, when it is clearly seen that physical science gives its assent much more to scholastic realism (limited closely to its formal statement) than it does to nominalism, a view of the history more like that here put forward is beginning to prevail.

&lt;p style=&quot;text-align:right;&quot;&gt;From Baldwin&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Dictionary of Philosophy and Psychology&lt;/em&gt;, The Macmillan Co., New York, vol. 2, pp. 50-55 (1902). Reprinted in C. S. Peirce &lt;em&gt;Collected Works&lt;/em&gt;, 6.361.&lt;/p&gt;
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Of course, the non-theologian who believes in transubstantiation may have little or no clue as to its metaphysical underpinnings. They believe, but without much understanding of the doctrine in which they believe. That may seem a bit hard to understand for the rest of us. My best guess is that what they are believing is the authority of the Magisterium from which they&#039;ve learned that doctrine (so far as they have learned of it). But that&#039;s not for me to say; and I know that I don&#039;t have any argument or evidence that would dissuade them from their belief, however that may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On transubstantiation and natural science:</strong></p>
<p>The doctrine of transubstantiation, discussed above, depends on its conception of <em>substance</em> which, I was arguing, is an idea so alien to the language of natural science that the scientist, <em>qua</em> scientist, has nothing to say about it to its believers. In the paragraph below, C. S. Peirce explains this with admirable lucidity:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Substantial form:</em> a form which constitutes a <em>nature,</em> i.e. a species or genus. Thus, the accidental form of a musician is music; but his substantial form is the rational soul which makes him a man. When men&#8217;s thoughts became turned from theology to the investigation of physics, those who were animated by the new spirit found themselves confronted with objections based upon allegations of substantial forms. That these substantial forms, so used, were merely a hindrance to the progress of science, was quite plain to them. But the objections were urged with a logical accuracy, born of centuries of study, with which the new men were utterly incapable of coping. Their proper course would have been quietly to pursue their own inquiries, and leave the theologians to square their results with philosophy as best they could. But circumstances did not permit this. The theologians had the popular intelligence and the arm of power on their side; and, when an apparent opposition arose, they naturally exerted themselves to put it down. Thus, the innovators were led to protest against these senseless and harmful substantial forms; and they had to formulate their objections to them &#8212; a business for which they were entirely unfitted. But since the discoveries of the physicists were plainly adding to man&#8217;s knowledge and power, while their antagonists were simply obstructive, the former soon carried the day in the general opinion of mankind. The history proves that there was something vicious about the theological application of <em>substantial forms;</em> but it in no degree goes to show that the physicists accurately defined the objection to that application. In reviewing the arguments at the present day, when the position of the mechanical philosophers is becoming almost as obsolete as that of the scholastic doctors, we first note that when the new men denied that the substantial forms were &#8220;entities,&#8221; what they really had in mind was that those forms had not such a mode of being as would confer upon them the power dynamical to react upon things. The Scotists, for it was they upon whom, as being in possession of the universities, the brunt of the battle fell, had in fact never called the substantial forms &#8220;entities,&#8221; a word sounding like a Scotistic term, but in fact the mere caricature of such a term. But had they used the word, nothing more innocent than the only meaning it could bear for them could be imagined. To call a form an &#8220;entity&#8221; could hardly mean more than to call it an abstraction. If the distinction of matter and form could have any value at all, it was the substantial forms that were, properly speaking, forms. If the Scotists could really specify any natural class, say man &#8212; and physics was at that time in no condition to raise any just doubt upon that score &#8212; then they were perfectly justified in giving a name to the intelligible characteristic of that class, and that was all the substantial form made any pretension to being. But the Scotists were guilty of two faults. The first &#8212; great enough, certainly, but relatively inconsiderable &#8212; was often referred to, though not distinctly analyzed and brought home to them. It was that they were utterly uncritical in accepting classes as natural, and seemed to think that ordinary language was a sufficient guarantee in the matter. Their other and principal fault, which may with justice be called a sin, since it involved a certain moral delinquency, was that they set up their idle logical distinctions as precluding all physical inquiry. The physicists and Scotists, being intent upon widely discrepant purposes, could not understand one another. There was a tolerably good excuse for the physicist, since the intention of the Scotist was of an abstract and technical kind, not easily understood. But there was no other excuse for the Scotist than that he was so drugged with his metaphysics that ordinary human needs had lost all appeal to him. All through the eighteenth century and a large part of the nineteenth, exclamations against the monstrousness of the scholastic dogma that substantial forms were entities continued to be part of the stock-in-trade of metaphysicians, and it accorded with the prevalent nominalism. But nowadays, when it is clearly seen that physical science gives its assent much more to scholastic realism (limited closely to its formal statement) than it does to nominalism, a view of the history more like that here put forward is beginning to prevail.</p>
<p style="text-align:right;">From Baldwin&#8217;s <em>Dictionary of Philosophy and Psychology</em>, The Macmillan Co., New York, vol. 2, pp. 50-55 (1902). Reprinted in C. S. Peirce <em>Collected Works</em>, 6.361.</p>
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<p>Of course, the non-theologian who believes in transubstantiation may have little or no clue as to its metaphysical underpinnings. They believe, but without much understanding of the doctrine in which they believe. That may seem a bit hard to understand for the rest of us. My best guess is that what they are believing is the authority of the Magisterium from which they&#8217;ve learned that doctrine (so far as they have learned of it). But that&#8217;s not for me to say; and I know that I don&#8217;t have any argument or evidence that would dissuade them from their belief, however that may be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Behe: &#8220;Common descent is true&#8221; (re: Texas TEKS science standards on evolution) by The creation of anti-evolutionists</title>
		<link>http://curricublog.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/behe-says-common-descent-is-tru/#comment-22156</link>
		<dc:creator>The creation of anti-evolutionists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] time to explain life.&#8221; So now even key Intelligent Design advocates such as Michael Behe who accept even human evolution are off their rocker, because foolish Creator-denying is the only reason anyone would accept common [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Journey, Map, or Territory? (some observations by John Dewey) by Curriculum &#38; the post-(cognitivist) synthesis &#171; Tony&#8217;s curricublog</title>
		<link>http://curricublog.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/dewey_on_journey-map-territory/#comment-22147</link>
		<dc:creator>Curriculum &#38; the post-(cognitivist) synthesis &#171; Tony&#8217;s curricublog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in John Dewey’s work, as, for example, in the points quoted on this blog concerning the curriculum as journey, in relation to the map and territory. The curriculum is not the map; nor is it the territory to be “covered” that is represented by [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Comer decision appealed by Voice in the Urbanne</title>
		<link>http://curricublog.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/comer-decision-appealed/#comment-22139</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice in the Urbanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has gone on for quite a while and, as always, Larry is losing.  It looks like it is about time for him to declare victory and sulk off with his tail between his legs.  His destination will be his heavily censored blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has gone on for quite a while and, as always, Larry is losing.  It looks like it is about time for him to declare victory and sulk off with his tail between his legs.  His destination will be his heavily censored blog.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I don&#8217;t believe in &#8220;THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION&#8221; by trent franklin</title>
		<link>http://curricublog.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/dont-believe-the-evolution-theory/#comment-22130</link>
		<dc:creator>trent franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue can be defined as a failure for those who &quot;don&#039;t believe&quot; in this scientific theory  to understand the difference between science and religion. They are not related. Americans believe in separation of church and state.  This means that a teacher can teach science in the classroom and not have to worry about being burned at the stake.
     &quot;I think there’s another possibility — the possibility that Mercer still, today, has still not heard the factual testimony that evolution does not explain, and does not claim or try to explain, the origin of life.&quot;  Even the simplest of minds can easily extrapolate that the theory of evolution is a &quot;creation story.&quot; Unfortunately, they can not understand that there is real science to back this up.  Again, the separation of the teaching of science in the classroom and the religious views of an individual can not (must not) be infringed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue can be defined as a failure for those who &#8220;don&#8217;t believe&#8221; in this scientific theory  to understand the difference between science and religion. They are not related. Americans believe in separation of church and state.  This means that a teacher can teach science in the classroom and not have to worry about being burned at the stake.<br />
     &#8220;I think there’s another possibility — the possibility that Mercer still, today, has still not heard the factual testimony that evolution does not explain, and does not claim or try to explain, the origin of life.&#8221;  Even the simplest of minds can easily extrapolate that the theory of evolution is a &#8220;creation story.&#8221; Unfortunately, they can not understand that there is real science to back this up.  Again, the separation of the teaching of science in the classroom and the religious views of an individual can not (must not) be infringed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;neutrality&#8221; strikes again: banned band shirts in MO (evolution/religion dispute) by Tony Whitson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Whitson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Krishna T-shirt protest&lt;/strong&gt;

There&#039;s a perfect analogy at

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=851

(he also makes the connection with Chris Comer&#039;s case)</description>
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<p>There&#8217;s a perfect analogy at</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=851" rel="nofollow">http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=851</a></p>
<p>(he also makes the connection with Chris Comer&#8217;s case)</p>
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