evidentiary examples deceitfully Expelled

Expelled purports to document

  1. that Big Science is dominated by Darwinists who know that evolutionary theory is not supported by scientific evidence, so it can only be supported by purging anyone who believes in God and a created universe, and
  2. that, on the other hand, those who are challenging the forcefully imposed Darwinist orthodoxy are asking only for “both sides” of “the controversy” to be heard — not for the establishment of Creationism through suppression of evolutionary biology.

A previous post here linked to a post by Blake Stacey, which compiles examples of people being penalized for being truthful about evolutionary biology — contrary to the second contention above.

In earlier posts, I also mentioned outspoken believers in God and divine creation who are not penalized in any way for expressing their beliefs, while continuing in their positions teaching science and doing real scientific research, but I haven’t provided a lot of specifics and examples.

Such examples are provided now by Chris Heard, Associate Professor of Religion at Pepperdine University, in a post on his Higgaion blog. Heard not only provides these examples, but provides transcribed excerpts of a conversation between Scientific American staff and Mark Mathis, associate producer of Expelled, in which Mathis basically explains that these examples were excluded from the film because inclusion of this evidence against the film’s major argument “would have confused the film unnecessarily.”

In other words, the film is a lie, and the film-makers know it.

MP3 files of the entire conversation are available on the Scientific American web site.

Click here for more on this blog re: Expelled.

4 Comments

  1. dskulkis
    Posted May 1, 2008 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Listen…Evolution is a theory. It can NOT be proved, because you can not repeat the experiment. Why are evolutionists so afraid of that fact?

    Second…sorry, it’s just ludicrous. Every theoretical “jump” from one form to another involved MULTIPLE perfect improvements in the genes. If you have ever seen anyone born with a gene out of place, you will be honest enough to admit you get: disease, mutation, retardation, etc.

    In the ANIMAL kingdom, before human intellect (and human intellect ALONE), any such difference causes an animal to be rejected from the flock or killed outright.

    How many gene mutations were necessary to create an eye? Before ALL of those mutations were in place, the effect would have been DETRIMENTAL. In a person, LOSE one gene from the proper genetic structure of an eye, and you get a useless lump of flesh that wastes energy. In the evolutionary theory, we are supposed to believe that some creature survived millions and millions of years while miraculously, and very occasionally, having a lucky gene mutation or ADDITION that would bring the creature closer to an eye…instead of the USUAL choice of expelling the mutant or killing it…or simply having it die of it’s own accord because of the useless lump of flesh inhibiting it.

    And we are expected to believe this happened (positive improvement!!!!! by gene MUTATION) millions and millions of times until the simplest life (which incidentally would even have the genetic ability to reproduce…that being a COMPLEX ability) became human.

    If you believe THAT…I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

    Before anyone slams me with nasty replies…REREAD my post here, and actually consider the REAL science that is implied by evolution. ALL evolutionists ever talk about is bones, while ignoring all the modern science of life and genetics. Even Darwin today would be intellectually honest enough to admit evolution is ludicrous at best.

    If you are intellectually honest, you won’t reply…you will go pick up a genetics book and learn the REAL science…

  2. Posted May 4, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    I despair of injecting facts into the morass of error which was the previous comment (Mutations are always deleterious? The eye couldn’t have evolved? Evolution is only a “theory”? It’s like the TalkOrigins Index of Creationist Claims was just dumped right here! And yes, I work in genetics and biomathematics, so I know perfectly well that evolution isn’t just about old bones.), so I’ll just offer my thanks for linking to my essay.

  3. Posted May 4, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Blake writes

    I despair of injecting facts into the morass of error which was the previous comment (Mutations are always deleterious? The eye couldn’t have evolved? Evolution is only a “theory”? It’s like the TalkOrigins Index of Creationist Claims was just dumped right here! And yes, I work in genetics and biomathematics, so I know perfectly well that evolution isn’t just about old bones.), so I’ll just offer my thanks for linking to my essay.

    Thanks Blake, of course you’re right.

    Aside from all that, however: This post is not even about the evidence on evolutionary biology. It’s about the evidence on people being penalized for what they believe and/or their teaching. Our hapless commenter (see also here) apparently wanders the net looking for places to vent, regardless of whether it has anything to do with post they’re venting on.

  4. Kevin Currie
    Posted July 11, 2008 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    “Listen…Evolution is a theory. It can NOT be proved, because you can not repeat the experiment. Why are evolutionists so afraid of that fact?”

    This will be fun.

    I assert that the fact that the Holocaust happened cannot be proved either, because it cannot be repeated. It is only a theory, and therefore only a guess. Therefore, I hope you agree that the Holocaust is equally likely to have happened and not to have happened. After all, they are both just theories that cannot be repeated and verified by experiment.

    And, of course, under your – or anyone else’s – criteria of what constitutes a science, creation or intelligent design surely cannot be verified by experiment.

    So where does that leave you?

    Evolutionary theory can be corroborated in the same way tha the Holocaust having happened can be corroborated: by retrodicition. We can look to evidence of the past and find out whether things we find there are congruent with (or incongruent with) the theory of evolution by natural/sexual slection.

    And your side loses that battle every time!

    (Of course, we can also see evolution in action in today’s world, but I wouldn’t think you read much on current developments.)

    “In the ANIMAL kingdom, before human intellect (and human intellect ALONE), any such difference causes an animal to be rejected from the flock or killed outright.”

    You are proven wrong on this score every day, and one need look no further than the AIDS virus, which is one of the quickest adapting viruses known. New mutations quite often (unfortunately for us) lead to stronger and more impermeable strands of the virus. Too often, new adaptations are hardly “unbeneficial” to the virus.

    “Before anyone slams me with nasty replies…REREAD my post here, and actually consider the REAL science that is implied by evolution.”

    I did. I was equally unimpressed all three times.

    “ALL evolutionists ever talk about is bones, while ignoring all the modern science of life and genetics. Even Darwin today would be intellectually honest enough to admit evolution is ludicrous at best.”

    Paleontology is only one field of biology. There is also microbiology which is the most prodigious subdiscipline going right now. One need go no further than your friendly Barnes and Noble science section to find many a popular book on genetics found in the “Evolutionary Biology” section. Ever read Ridley’s “Genome”? Dawkins “The Selfish Gene?” James Watson’s “DNA?”

    Actually it is the creationists who spend most of their times moaning about fossils. Apparently, there just aren’t enough transitional forms. Evolutionists talk about bones too, but much more than that.


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